Legislature(1997 - 1998)

03/21/1998 09:10 AM Senate FIN

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SENATE BILL NO. 230                                                            
"An Act making appropriations for the operating and                            
capital expenses of the state's integrated                                     
comprehensive mental health program; and providing for                         
an effective date."                                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp announced that during this meeting the                          
committee would move alphabetically through the departments,                   
hearing from each on their specific program requests                           
included in the State of Alaska FY99 Capital Project                           
Summary.  The committee would adjourn when it reaches                          
Department of Fish and Game's presentation or at 11:00 am,                     
whichever comes sooner.  Department of Transportation and                      
Public Facilities and Department of Environmental                              
Conservation presentations will be heard at a later meeting                    
when the entire committee membership is present.                               
                                                                               
He stated that the meeting was broadcasting, via                               
teleconference, to several locations throughout the state                      
but that testimony would be heard by invitation only.                          
                                                                               
He directed the committee's attention to the summary of                        
amendments.  He said the committee did not have final                          
amendments yet but intended to take testimony for them at a                    
later meeting.  He told committee members they could find                      
various backup materials for the bill in binders placed in                     
front of them.                                                                 
                                                                               
At this point, he began hearing testimony from the                             
Department of Administration on their budget requests                          
included in the Capital FY99 Governor's bill.                                  
                                                                               
SHARON BARTON, Director of the Division of Administrative                      
Services for the Department of Administration was invited to                   
the table to speak to the committee.  She spoke first on the                   
INTEGRATED CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SYSTEM-PUBLIC                          
DEFENDER request.  She reminded the committee that the                         
legislature had directed the department to find more cost-                     
effective ways to operate the Public Defenders Agency.  By                     
upgrading the computer system, they will be making progress                    
in achieving this goal.  Ms. Barton informed the committee                     
that the recently completed project to upgrade the                             
Department of Corrections computers did not include the PDA,                   
so they didn't receive any funding for their needed                            
upgrades.                                                                      
                                                                               
She did say that they have been making substantial efforts                     
to upgrade the computer hardware for each office at no cost.                   
They have been watching for other departments new computer                     
purchases and obtaining the surplus machines.  While the                       
newer computers are not the latest in technology, they are                     
far superior to the ones employees had been using.                             
                                                                               
Even with these upgrades there are still limitations to the                    
agencies systems.  Although they have been able to make                        
improvements by acquiring the newer hardware, there are                        
other specific items, such as agency-related software that                     
they can't get as hand me downs.                                               
                                                                               
Ms. Barton emphasized the PDA is very behind in its computer                   
technology.  She gave examples of this such as the fact that                   
offices are not connected by e-mail and there is no intra-                     
office network.  She said that each time an employee                           
prepares a document that needs to be transmitted to another                    
office, the file must be saved to a disk and hand-carried to                   
the Secretary's computer to be uploaded and then e-mailed to                   
the awaiting office.  The agency needs to be hooked together                   
on a network.                                                                  
                                                                               
BARBARA BRINK, Director of the Public Defenders Agency, via                    
teleconference from Anchorage, was invited to expand on Ms.                    
Barton's presentation.  She told committee members the basic                   
problem is infrastructure.  The proposed upgrades would                        
allow the agency to become a part of the broader picture,                      
integrating with other agencies.                                               
                                                                               
Senator Parnell had some technical questions on the matter.                    
GERALD BAILEY, Administrative Manager for PDA was asked to                     
join the committee via teleconference from Anchorage to help                   
answer those questions.  He explained the agency's hope to                     
install a network system within each of the offices.                           
Senator Parnell asked if the employees had e-mail                              
capabilities.  Mr. Bailey responded that each office has one                   
central office with the exception of the Anchorage and                         
Fairbanks offices.  Senator Parnell wanted to know if the                      
department would be able to connect all offices via a                          
network system with the funding requested in this bill.  Mr.                   
Bailey said this funding would cover most of the costs.                        
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp pointed out that the request was $110,000 for                   
this year but saw another request for $400,000 for the next                    
fiscal year.  Would the department still envision a need for                   
that amount, he asked.  Mr. Bailey said no, that the                           
original request for future budget years included computer                     
upgrades that they were able to by-pass with the acquisition                   
of the surplus computers.                                                      
                                                                               
This concluded the discussion on the system upgrades for the                   
Public Defender Agency.                                                        
                                                                               
The next item in the budget packet was the ELECTRONIC                          
COMMERCE AND PURCHASING SYSTEM.  Ms. Barton explained how                      
currently each department goes out for bids themselves and                     
there is no central place for vendors to make inquiries.                       
This process is also labor intensive for the agencies and                      
the DOA, as paperwork needs to be processed through a                          
cumbersome pipeline.                                                           
                                                                               
The solution the department proposes is in website pasting.                    
According to Ms. Barton, this would make it easier for both                    
vendors and agency purchasers to have access to each other.                    
Contract awards information is already available on-line,                      
but this new program would be an enhancement.  Ordering                        
would be available on-line.  The statewide accounting system                   
would link up with the new system, allowing for better                         
tracking and assurance of compliance with fiscal and                           
purchasing policies.                                                           
                                                                               
DUGAN PETTY was invited to speak to the committee on this                      
proposal.  He expanded on Ms. Barton's testimony announcing                    
that: "Electronic commerce is here."  He told committee                        
members that every major company has some kind of system in                    
place but the State of Alaska has none.  He spoke of other                     
states' efforts at breaking into this technological area.                      
Oregon is leading the way and San Diego has a state of the                     
art system in place.  The DOA is incorporating features of                     
these other systems into their proposed plan.  He felt that                    
not only would the State Of Alaska benefit, but that there                     
would be more bid opportunities for vendors.                                   
                                                                               
Senator Parnell asked how broad the new system would be and                    
how many years it would take to implement.  Mr. Petty                          
replied that this would be a pilot project for now.  The                       
limits are wide open as far as how big the system could get.                   
He told the committee that the Department of Transportation                    
and Public Facilities already has a form of electronic                         
"Requests for Bids" in place.  Other agencies are getting                      
ready to add their own versions.  Mr. Petty advised that it                    
would be a mistake to not take a statewide approach that                       
would oversee the whole process.                                               
                                                                               
Mr. Petty detailed some of the specifics of the project.  He                   
said the system would work as a Web Browser.  An electronic                    
catalog is a good basis.  However, he admitted some issues                     
do need to be resolved regarding where the boundaries should                   
be drawn.  Washington State is doing electronic bidding this                   
year and they are the first to attempt this.  There are                        
questions on the implementation of that process, including                     
the validity of electronic signatures.                                         
                                                                               
He summarized by saying that to whatever level the State                       
takes this, it is important that it gets involved.                             
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp pointed out that the funding for this request                   
would come from AIDEA funds.  He noted that the legislature                    
has already determined that no AIDEA funds will be granted.                    
He said the message was sent to the Governor last year, and                    
he had hoped the Administration wouldn't try to use the fund                   
again this year.  Senator Phillips, Co-Chair Sharp and Ms.                     
Barton had some discussion as to who assigns funding sources                   
to the various proposed projects.  It was agreed that the                      
Office of Management and Budget made those determinations.                     
                                                                               
At the request of the DOA representatives, the committee                       
skipped ahead to LEASE DATABASE SYSTEM REPLACEMENT.  Ms.                       
Barton spoke to this request.  She noted right off that the                    
funding source assigned to this project was AIDEA funds.                       
She shared with the committee that currently the department                    
has an old system with which to manage all lease data.  The                    
problem is that this system is so old, obtaining technical                     
support for the software is impossible.  She envisioned the                    
new system would incorporate all the existing capacities of                    
the old plus integrate with the statewide accounting system.                   
This would eliminate duplicate paperwork required by the                       
different divisions.                                                           
                                                                               
Mr. Petty added that the current database software, titled                     
Knowledgeman is a 15-year old system and is no longer                          
serviced by the manufacturer or any other technical                            
provider.                                                                      
                                                                               
There were no questions so the discussions on the lease                        
database system concluded.                                                     
                                                                               
The committee again skipped forward in the budget packet to                    
talk about JUNEAU SUBPORT RELOCATION PLANNING.  Ms. Barton                     
reminded the committee this request was brought before the                     
committee last year and rejected.  She said the issue is                       
even more urgent this year as the lease on the land on which                   
the building sits is to expire next June.  She recounted how                   
the land was turned over to the Mental Health Land Trust and                   
that they are unlikely to renew the lease.                                     
                                                                               
She advised the committee to avoid higher costs later by                       
granting funding for the planning project now.  She said                       
funding would cover the costs of planning, site selection,                     
beginning design work and evaluation of operating costs for                    
the new facility.                                                              
                                                                               
Mr. Petty identified the main problem of the lease                             
expiration.  He told the committee that not only the land                      
under the building, but also the parking area is on the MHLT                   
land.  The MHLT has the option to renew the lease, but their                   
mandate is to get the highest return on the land. It has                       
been determined that other uses are apt to generate more                       
income for the trust and therefore, the Subport lease is                       
unlikely to be renewed.                                                        
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if the proposed planning would include                    
a study to evaluate whether higher lease costs in the                          
current location would still be lower than relocation.  Mr.                    
Petty said that option would be considered but warned that                     
because the state no longer owns the land, that would not                      
for long be an alternative.                                                    
                                                                               
Senator Phillips asked if Department of Fish and Game was                      
the primary user of the building.  Mr. Petty told him they                     
have a tag laboratory and a vessel repair shop housed in the                   
building.  Senator Phillips wanted to know if ADF&G uses                       
were for regional or statewide functions.  Mr. Petty                           
explained that they were mostly statewide functions although                   
he speculated that the vessel repair shop probably didn't                      
work on boats from the interior.                                               
                                                                               
At Senator Phillips request, Mr. Petty listed some of the                      
other agencies that occupy space in the building.                              
Department of Revenue, Department of Administration,                           
Legislative Affairs Agency and the National Guard all make                     
use of the subport facilities.  Again Senator Phillips asked                   
if the activities were for regional or statewide business.                     
After further discussion on that matter, Senator Phillips                      
then asked if the building was used mostly as a warehouse                      
and if it was, would it be better to store items somewhere                     
other than Juneau.  Mr. Petty stressed that it is most                         
efficient to store items where the department headquarters                     
are.  These offices have staff who are available to access                     
the storage facilities.  He said the new building doesn't                      
have to be in downtown Juneau, but that it is convenient for                   
some agencies.                                                                 
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp questioned if the funding request found                         
elsewhere in the Governor's budget packet for the Juneau                       
National Guard Armory is related to this project.  Mr. Petty                   
replied that it is related, but understanding how they are                     
related is tricky.  He spoke of the National Guard's use of                    
the building.                                                                  
                                                                               
This closed the discussion on the subport planning program.                    
                                                                               
The committee backtracked in the budget packet to items                        
earlier passed over.  The next item they addressed was                         
ENTERPRISE MESSAGE BROKERING AND DATA EXCHANGE.                                
                                                                               
Ms. Barton explained how implementation of this project                        
would make it possible for members of the public to submit                     
address and/or name changes only once and have the updates                     
distributed to all affected offices in the State Of Alaska                     
with which they do business. This would eliminate the need                     
for them to contact each and every office.  Ms. Barton said                    
the funding for this would cover the costs of the software                     
and the design and installation of the system.                                 
                                                                               
KAREN MORGAN Deputy Director of the Information Technology                     
Group, added to the discussion on this item.  She told the                     
committee about the difficulties the public encounters when                    
trying to get name and address changes updated for State Of                    
Alaska purposes.  She said currently, people have to go to                     
several agencies to submit the new information.  This                          
program would allow the public to make updates for their                       
driver's licenses, PFD dividends, voter registration and                       
other state-related services, all at once.                                     
                                                                               
Senator Parnell wanted assurance that these changes would be                   
implemented for multiple agencies only at the request of the                   
citizen.  He wanted to know if it would still be possible                      
for the state employee to make just the changes the                            
individual wanted.  He said he had concerns about privacy.                     
Ms. Morgan offered that reassurance saying that any changes                    
would be made only at the specific request of the citizen.                     
She acknowledged the security issue and that it had been                       
considered when the project was drafted.                                       
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp applauded the customer service efforts.  He                     
said he wondered though, how the Division of Elections would                   
be able to implement the program.  He noted requirements                       
they must follow with regard to verifying voter registration                   
changes.                                                                       
                                                                               
This was the end of the discussion on the address and name                     
change update system.                                                          
                                                                               
The committee jumped ahead in the budget packet to take up                     
INFORMATION SERVICES FUND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT.                               
                                                                               
Ms. Barton described the current program of setting a rate                     
system to calculate the depreciation of existing equipment                     
and use the depreciation recovery to purchase new equipment.                   
This would apply to the state's computing and                                  
telecommunications infrastructure.                                             
                                                                               
Ms. Morgan joined in and spoke about the fund being                            
established in 1992.  She said the department is just now                      
getting to the point of recovering the full depreciation.                      
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson had questions about the balance of the                       
fund.  Ms. Morgan informed him that the total was difficult                    
to quote since it incorporates both operation and the                          
capital funds, but she surmised it to be approximately $4                      
million.                                                                       
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if the new purchases would be for                         
replacement of existing equipment.  Ms. Morgan replied that                    
yes, it would replace older, unusable or technically                           
obsolete equipment.                                                            
                                                                               
Senator Phillips asked what the state would be getting in                      
return for the money spent.  Ms. Morgan described some of                      
the different services affected.  Phone services,                              
particularly the designated "465" prefix for Juneau state                      
offices; paging capabilities and microwave emergency                           
services that run along the railroad system were some which                    
she recounted.  She told the committee she could provide                       
them with a detailed list if they wished.                                      
                                                                               
Referring to the railroad microwave utility lines, Senator                     
Phillips inquired if the railroad corporation used the                         
services and if so, could they be charged.  Ms. Morgan told                    
him there is an agreement between the DOA and the AK                           
Railroad Corporation that allows access for the utilities by                   
DOA and in turn, uses of the services by the railroad.                         
                                                                               
After further discussion on the distribution of services,                      
the presentation on the depreciation recovery was finished.                    
                                                                               
The committee turned back to the portion of the budget                         
packet that addressed DMV MICROFILMING AND INDEXING.                           
                                                                               
Ms. Barton described the current system telling the                            
committee that the division uses Kodak microfilm equipment                     
to photograph all their documents. Law enforcement officials                   
and members of the public must then go and manually retrieve                   
needed information.  This method is very labor intensive and                   
it creates a big backlog.  The equipment is very old and in                    
need of replacement according to Ms. Barton.                                   
                                                                               
The new equipment would consist of a new camera and related                    
bar coding machinery.                                                          
                                                                               
JAY DULANY, Director of the Division of Motor Vehicles was                     
invited to testify via teleconference from Anchorage.  He                      
summarized what Ms. Barton presented that the equipment they                   
had was well past its life span.  He felt the new camera and                   
the bar coding system would be a wise purchase.                                
                                                                               
The committee next took up the issue of DMV DIGITAL PHOTO                      
IDENTIFICATION PROCESS.                                                        
                                                                               
Ms. Barton began the discussion, again describing the                          
current system of using a Polaroid process.  She told the                      
committee that Polaroid is getting out of the business and                     
will no longer be supporting the system after their contract                   
with DMV expires.  She remarked that agencies across the                       
country are moving toward a digital system.                                    
                                                                               
Money from this request would be used to purchase digital                      
photo license stations for the 30 DMV offices statewide.                       
                                                                               
Mr. Dulany introduced CHUCK HOSAK, Deputy Director of DMV                      
who was also linked to the meeting via teleconference from                     
Anchorage.  Mr. Hosak spoke of the movement from a manual to                   
a computerized process. The DMV, law enforcement officials                     
and the public would all benefit from the new system.  He                      
told the committee how photos and signatures could be                          
transmitted electronically and how this would be useful for                    
many reasons including preventing issuance of false ID's and                   
to quickly replace lost drivers licenses.                                      
                                                                               
Senator Parnell asked who was the equipment manufacturer.                      
Mr. Hosak listed several companies and said the project                        
would be sent out to bid.  Senator Phillips wanted to know                     
if the companies were all in the US and Mr. Hosak reported                     
that they were.                                                                
                                                                               
Senator Phillips inquired if the information would be stored                   
in a format that would be accessible by the Alaska State                       
Troopers when they eventually get computers installed in                       
patrol vehicles.  Mr. Dulany replied that they have been                       
working with the Department of Public Safety to ensure                         
compatibility of information.  Senator Parnell suggested                       
they also coordinate with the Department of Corrections.                       
There was further discussion on the need for the system to                     
be in a format compatible for all needs.                                       
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson wanted to know why the division was                          
requesting two completely different systems one for                            
microfilming and another for photo ID's.  Couldn't the                         
digital photography be used for the documents also, he                         
wondered? Mr. Dulany said they did consider using one system                   
for both functions, but found that it would not be cost                        
effective to use the digital photography system for storing                    
and retrieving the high volume of documents the division                       
must process.  There was further clarification of this                         
matter by Senator Parnell, Mr. Dulany and Senator Torgerson.                   
                                                                               
Senator Parnell asked how many employees are needed to                         
handle the document microfilming process.  Mr. Dulany told                     
him two full time employees are needed to do the                               
microfilming plus extra employee time is necessary to do the                   
accompanying data entry.  Senator Parnell wondered if it                       
would be more cost effective to contract the work to an                        
outside company.  Mr. Dulany said the division found it to                     
be more cost-effective to do it in-house.                                      
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp had concerns about the possibility of digital                   
photographs made accessible to marketing companies.  Mr.                       
Dulany assured him that current law prohibits the photos                       
from being released to anyone, other than for police                           
purposes, without permission from the individual.                              
                                                                               
This concluded the DMV budget requests.                                        
                                                                               
The committee then took up the AKPAY TIME AND ATTENDANCE                       
SYSTEM.  Ms. Barton expressed the need to eliminate time and                   
duplication efforts currently required processing state                        
employee time sheets.  She said each agency has a different                    
way of collecting employees' time sheets and a lot of time                     
is spent inputting the various informations.                                   
                                                                               
DAVID ESSAY, the Acting Director of the Division of Finance                    
came to the table to expand on the issue.  He stressed that                    
while the work is vital, it is not considered "value added"                    
and therefore would be better done by a computer.  Because                     
of the diversity of state jobs, the system needs to be                         
adaptable to many forms of work reporting.  According to Mr.                   
Essay, this proposed system would do that.                                     
                                                                               
There were no questions or further discussion on the topic                     
of AKPAY.                                                                      
                                                                               
The committee moved ahead to address PIONEERS' HOMES HEALTH                    
AND SAFETY REPAIRS.  Ms. Barton stressed that the items in                     
this proposal were the most urgent needs taken from a long                     
list of priorities.  A variety of repairs are needed ranging                   
from wiring, to Americans With Disabilities Act compliance,                    
to fire safety repairs.  She pointed out that the funding                      
source for this request would come from the Alaska Housing                     
Finance Corporation.                                                           
                                                                               
JIM KOHN, Director of the Division of Longevity Programs                       
came to the table to answer questions.                                         
                                                                               
Senator Phillips and Co-Chair Sharp requested a breakdown of                   
repairs needed and their location.  They asked to have the                     
information within the next two weeks.  Mr. Kohn said he had                   
that data and would just need to add up the figures.  He                       
overviewed the breakdown, telling committee members that                       
most of the electrical repairs are needed in the Palmer and                    
Fairbanks Pioneer Homes.  He explained that while the Sitka                    
home is the oldest, many of the needed wiring upgrades there                   
were already completed under another project.                                  
                                                                               
There was further discussion on the locations of the homes,                    
their ages and the needed repairs.  Senator Phillips made                      
comments about the Juneau Pioneers Home.  The presentation                     
on this request was completed.                                                 
                                                                               
The last request from the Department of Administration was                     
for RETIREMENT AND BENEFITS SPACE CONSOLIDATION FURNITURE.                     
Ms. Barton informed the committee that because of an                           
increase in staff, the space used by each worker needs to be                   
as compacted as possible.  The furniture system they are                       
using is old and inefficient as far as space utilization is                    
concerned.  The requested new modular furniture would allow                    
for better accommodations for employees. More importantly,                     
it would conform to ADA standards, which the current                           
furniture does not.                                                            
                                                                               
GUY BELL, director of Division of Retirement and Benefits,                     
was invited to testify before the committee.  He talked of                     
the severe overcrowding in the division office.  They are                      
unable to offer counseling and other confidential services                     
because of the close proximity of the workstations.                            
                                                                               
Senator Parnell asked how the division had reached the                         
dollar amount they were requesting.  Mr. Bell responded                        
saying that division representatives had contacted the                         
Division of General Services and told them what they needed                    
the new furniture system to provide.  DGS calculated this                      
figure based on information from the bidding process.  Ms.                     
Barton added that the cost would include everything -                          
breakdown, rewiring, etc.                                                      
                                                                               
After further discussion the committee thanked the DOA staff                   
for their presentations and thus concluded the DOA chapter                     
of the budget request.                                                         
                                                                               
The committee heard from the Department of Commerce and                        
Economic Development on their two funding requests included                    
in the budget plan.                                                            
                                                                               
TOM LAWSON, Director of Administrative Services presented                      
the first item: ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MATCHING GRANTS.  He                      
gave a brief description of the matching grants program.  He                   
said the program's goal is to provide a ratio of one dollar                    
of state money for every three dollars from other sources.                     
                                                                               
He listed some of the grants and the funds spent on various                    
projects.  They included the Economic Development Project                      
Grants-$125.0; Match for Economic Development                                  
Administrations annual planning grant-$100.0; International                    
Trade Show Matching Grants- $12.5; Small Business and                          
Economic Development Conference Grant Program-$12.5.                           
                                                                               
Mr. Lawson impressed that the division is pleased with the                     
current system.  There were no comments or questions by                        
committee members.                                                             
                                                                               
The other request submitted by DCED was 4-DAM POOL PROJECT                     
REPAIRS.                                                                       
                                                                               
KEITH LAVFER was linked to the meeting via teleconference                      
from Anchorage and spoke to this item.  He told the                            
committee that AEA was making this request for repairs to                      
the Four Dam Pool Hydroelectric projects.  The request is                      
based on contractual agreements to undertake the repairs.                      
                                                                               
Mr. Lavfer attempted to clear up some confusion on the                         
request's format.  He explained that in prior years, funding                   
requests for this on-going project where submitted to the                      
Legislative Budget and Audit Committee.  This was because                      
information on what amounts would be needed where not                          
available during the regular capital budget process.  This                     
year the project is in Phase Three and the data is                             
available.  Therefore, it is possible to bring the request                     
before the whole body.                                                         
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp had concerns about the annual requests.  He                     
wanted to know if the utilities were requesting higher                         
funding each year to pay for projects not planned for the                      
current phase of the project.  Mr. Lavfer reassured him that                   
they are working with the utilities to ensure they only take                   
what's needed for that year's repairs.                                         
                                                                               
This concluded the presentation from DCED.                                     
                                                                               
Next to be taken up were requests from the Department of                       
Community and Regional Affairs.                                                
                                                                               
The first item in their portion of the Governor's bill was                     
RURAL DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE GRANTS.  IKE WAITS, Chief of                      
Planning for the Division of Municipal and Regional                            
Assistance, was invited to testify before the committee via                    
teleconference from Anchorage.  He outlined this on-going                      
grants program that provides funding for projects in                           
communities with populations of 900.  The funds go toward                      
infrastructure development and capital improvements,                           
planning and technical assistance and economic development                     
activities.  Communities can qualify for up to $100,000 for                    
these types of projects.                                                       
                                                                               
He told the committee that this program was not funded in                      
FY98, but is still considered by the division to be an on-                     
going project.  Co-Chair Sharp asked how much the                              
legislature funded this program in past years.  Mr. Waits                      
replied that he didn't have exact figures because he had                       
only been working in the division for the last two years.                      
He was able to recall that in FY97 the program was given                       
approximately $800,000.  Before that, he believed the                          
funding level was higher, about $1 million, for quite some                     
time.                                                                          
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson wanted to know, if in the case of                            
communities that were located inside of a borough, did the                     
division used the population count of the borough or the                       
actual community's population to judge if the community                        
qualified for this program.  Mr. Wait answered that the                        
population of the community was used to make the                               
determination.                                                                 
                                                                               
There was no further discussion on the municipal grants                        
program and the committee turned to the next request, BULK                     
FUEL SYSTEMS UPGRADES.                                                         
                                                                               
PERCY FRISBY, Director of the Division of Energy came to the                   
table to speak to this issue.  He described some of the                        
repairs and upgrades made to bulk fuel storage in rural                        
Alaska under this continuing program.  He detailed how the                     
state funding is matched with federal funds and local                          
contributions.                                                                 
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if the division knew what the federal                     
funding would be this year.  Senator Pearce joined in with                     
her concerns that the federal funding has been committed for                   
this on-going project and that the money would always be                       
allocated.  Mr. Frisby reassured the committee that the                        
federal government has guaranteed $3.5 million.  He informed                   
them that a six-year plan had been worked out between the                      
division and the federal agencies to address the worst tank                    
farms and try to bring them up to standards.                                   
                                                                               
Senator Pearce referred to a federal compliance order that                     
must be followed and inquired as to what they were actually                    
complying.  Mr. Frisby said the compliance order was called                    
the Open Mining Act.                                                           
                                                                               
Mr. Frisby went on to describe other grants and                                
contributions that combined to make up the $4 million total                    
that was being spent annually on the upgrades.                                 
                                                                               
Senator Pearce changed the topic to REPOSSESSED POWER                          
SYSTEMS and asked for a brief status report.  Mr. Frisby                       
updated her on the process and that they were in the stage                     
of working with the banks to find a resolution that would                      
benefit all parties.  Senator Pearce wanted to know how many                   
of the affected communities relied on these systems as their                   
primary source of power.  Mr. Frisby gave her an answer of                     
five communities.                                                              
                                                                               
Senator Pearce referred back to the discussions with the                       
banks and asked if the banks were being cooperative.  Mr.                      
Frisby said they were, but admitted they weren't very happy                    
about the situation.                                                           
                                                                               
Senator Phillips directed the conversation back to the bulk                    
fuel tanks.  He wondered if under the aforementioned six-                      
year plan if all the necessary repairs would be completed,                     
and if not would the program conclude anyway.  Mr. Frisby                      
informed him that the six-year plan is just the pilot of                       
what is anticipated to be a 10-year process.  He emphasized                    
the division's evaluation of the program as being very                         
successful.                                                                    
                                                                               
The committee moved to the next item, ELECTRICAL                               
EMERGENCIES.  Mr. Frisby told committee members that this                      
request is for a reallocation of funds.  He explained how                      
the program was created to be an on-going attempt to correct                   
problems in rural electric systems that are, or could                          
become, a threat to live, health and safety.  The plan was                     
to award grants or contracts for needed repairs and                            
upgrades.  He stated that in actuality the funds are being                     
spent for emergency response.  He told them that the                           
division encounters about five emergencies a year and in one                   
situation last year, a power plant burned completely.                          
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if the loan program was intended to be                    
a continual source of funding.  Mr. Frisby told him that the                   
loan program was ceased before he started working for the                      
division so he didn't have knowledge of the original plan.                     
He said revenue the program generates is from receipts off                     
of existing loans and he anticipated that would continue for                   
the next 20 years.                                                             
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked what the community population                             
restrictions were for qualifying for the federal grant.  Mr.                   
Frisby acknowledged that the different programs have                           
different size requirements.  For this program, the                            
definition of a village is a population of 2000 or less.                       
                                                                               
This finished discussion on the electrical emergency matter.                   
The committee brought up the next request, COMMUNITY BLOCK                     
GRANTS.                                                                        
                                                                               
Mr. Wait spoke to this item explaining how the program                         
matched grants and issued administrative funding for                           
Community Development Block Grants and Community Service                       
Block Grants. Grants under this program are awarded on a                       
competitive basis and are usually issued once a year.                          
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp wondered if the state's amount of the funding                   
has been consistent over the years.  Mr. Wait replied that                     
the amount has gone up and down depending on the allocation                    
of federal funds.                                                              
                                                                               
There were further discussions before the committee heard                      
the presentations on DELTA JUNCTION ECONOMIC RECOVERY.  Mr.                    
Wait explained this phased project of matching federal and                     
state/local funds for projects to help the Delta Junction                      
area recover from a loss of 70 percent to the local economy                    
due to pending Army reductions on Fort Greely.                                 
                                                                               
There were no questions from committee members on the Delta                    
Junction funding request.                                                      
                                                                               
Mr. Waits began speaking to the FOREST SERVICE MINI-GRANTS.                    
He described this program as a partnership with the US                         
Forest Service with an objective to strengthen rural                           
communities by helping capitalize on their potential to                        
diversify their economies in non-forest related industries.                    
He told the committee the funding match is typically dollar                    
for dollar.  The grants are targeted at new business start-                    
ups                                                                            
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp wanted to know if this program was the same                     
as the Rural Development Program.  Mr. Waits responded that                    
it was a different program and that because they were                          
separate, it was possible for applicants to combine the two.                   
This would give projects money from both grants.                               
                                                                               
This concluded discussion on the forest service grants, and                    
the committee moved ahead to take up the ALASKA NATIVE                         
HERITAGE CENTER.                                                               
                                                                               
TENA YOUNG, Grants Administrator in the Division of                            
Administration, testified on behalf of this funding request.                   
She reminded committee members that this project is to build                   
a Welcome House with exhibit and demonstration areas, a                        
theater, a cafe, a gift shop, a large open circular hall for                   
gatherings and performances, and a rural travel information                    
kiosk.  The center would be located in Anchorage. She stated                   
that the request had also been made proposed last year but                     
had been denied.  The reason the legislature gave for its                      
refusal was because they wanted to see leverage for all                        
other funds that had been raised.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Phillips inquired how much money had been raised to                    
date.  Ms. Young replied six million dollars.  Senator                         
Phillips wanted a breakdown of the sources of the donations.                   
Ms. Young had a sheet showing that information and said she                    
would get a copy to him.                                                       
                                                                               
There were no further questions on the Native center.                          
                                                                               
The last item, listed as an amendment to the Governor's                        
Capital Budget for DCRA was addressed.  This was a funding                     
request for the ARCTIC WINTER GAMES.  Ms. Young explained                      
that the games were held every two years and that in the                       
past, the funding request was made for the year before the                     
games were to take place.  It was then necessary to bring                      
the issue up again the next year and ask for a supplemental                    
to cover the unforeseen costs, which couldn't be documented                    
for the original request.  These costs usually included                        
things such as travel and uniform expenditures.  They also                     
included an annual dues payment, which couldn't be funded in                   
a fiscal year prior to the year the funds would be actually                    
spent.                                                                         
                                                                               
The proposal for this year asks for the entire amount to be                    
granted at once.  One benefit of this method is that it                        
allows the planners to get airline fare contracts at earlier                   
dates with lower prices.  They are able to incur cost                          
savings in other purchases also.                                               
                                                                               
Senator Phillips shared with the committee how after last                      
year's games he went to the airport in the middle of the                       
night to greet homecoming athletes.  The late night flights                    
were the cheapest available.  He also informed the committee                   
that this year participants are each paying $40 toward the                     
cost of their uniforms.  He said he would get more                             
information about the breakdown of the costs incurred for                      
Alaskan athletes to participate in the games to share with                     
the committee.                                                                 
                                                                               
This concluded the presentation for the DCRA budget items.                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp announced that the time allocated for this                      
meeting was up and committee members were due in other                         
meetings.  Therefore, the committee would not be able to                       
hear testimony from other departments at this meeting.  The                    
next scheduled meeting on SB 231 was scheduled for March 28                    
and the committee will start with the Department of                            
Correction's requests.  He thanked the department                              
representatives for coming in on a Saturday to testify                         
before the committee.                                                          
                                                                               

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